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PTIJ: Coffee stains on Sefarim (holy books)



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Almost every Sefer in my Beis Midrash has a nice coffee stain all across it. Interestingly, it’s only in public Sefarim that I regularly see this; in private Sefarim, sometimes I see it, sometimes I don’t.



Is this a chiyuv (obligation) to spill coffee on public Sefarim, and minhag (traditional practice) to spill on personal ones? Is it a chovas gavra (one must spill), or a chovas cheftza (the book must have a coffee stain)?



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    Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

    – Dr. Shmuel
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  • @Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

    – DonielF
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  • By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

    – Kazi bácsi
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  • @Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago















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Almost every Sefer in my Beis Midrash has a nice coffee stain all across it. Interestingly, it’s only in public Sefarim that I regularly see this; in private Sefarim, sometimes I see it, sometimes I don’t.



Is this a chiyuv (obligation) to spill coffee on public Sefarim, and minhag (traditional practice) to spill on personal ones? Is it a chovas gavra (one must spill), or a chovas cheftza (the book must have a coffee stain)?



Looking for sourced answers only.




This question is Purim Torah and is not intended to be taken completely seriously. See the Purim Torah policy.










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    Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

    – Dr. Shmuel
    6 hours ago











  • @Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago











  • By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

    – Kazi bácsi
    6 hours ago












  • @Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago













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Almost every Sefer in my Beis Midrash has a nice coffee stain all across it. Interestingly, it’s only in public Sefarim that I regularly see this; in private Sefarim, sometimes I see it, sometimes I don’t.



Is this a chiyuv (obligation) to spill coffee on public Sefarim, and minhag (traditional practice) to spill on personal ones? Is it a chovas gavra (one must spill), or a chovas cheftza (the book must have a coffee stain)?



Looking for sourced answers only.




This question is Purim Torah and is not intended to be taken completely seriously. See the Purim Torah policy.










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Almost every Sefer in my Beis Midrash has a nice coffee stain all across it. Interestingly, it’s only in public Sefarim that I regularly see this; in private Sefarim, sometimes I see it, sometimes I don’t.



Is this a chiyuv (obligation) to spill coffee on public Sefarim, and minhag (traditional practice) to spill on personal ones? Is it a chovas gavra (one must spill), or a chovas cheftza (the book must have a coffee stain)?



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    Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

    – Dr. Shmuel
    6 hours ago











  • @Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago











  • By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

    – Kazi bácsi
    6 hours ago












  • @Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago












  • 1





    Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

    – Dr. Shmuel
    6 hours ago











  • @Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago











  • By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

    – Kazi bácsi
    6 hours ago












  • @Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

    – DonielF
    6 hours ago







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Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

– Dr. Shmuel
6 hours ago





Does the book have a regular cycle in the beis medrash?

– Dr. Shmuel
6 hours ago













@Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

– DonielF
6 hours ago





@Dr.Shmuel Define “regular cycle.” You mean is it commonly used? Often, but not always.

– DonielF
6 hours ago













By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

– Kazi bácsi
6 hours ago






By the way, with this essential LaTeX package you can create ready made stains: hanno-rein.de/archives/349

– Kazi bácsi
6 hours ago














@Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

– DonielF
6 hours ago





@Kazibácsi If it’s a chovas cheftza, it might be lifnei iveir to include that.

– DonielF
6 hours ago










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Yes. There are some very good reasons for the coffee stains you have observed.



Mishnah Mikvaot 6:5:




קפה מטבילין בהן כמה



Coffee, we dip much in to it.




Obviously, this will cause the coffee to overflow the cup and will result in stains.



Mishnah Shabbat 4:2:




קפה מטה על צדה



Coffee, we tip on its side.




Clearly, this is going to produce even more stains.



However, we can pose a question from Mishnah Beitzah 4:1:




לא יפשיל את הקפה לאחוריו אבל מביאה הוא בידו



One must not throw the coffee behind him, but rather bring it in his hand.




This Mishnah rules that we must be very careful when transporting coffee, to avoid stains.



We can resolve the contradiction by positing that the obligation to spill coffee is only in public spaces. In one's home, one is meant to avoid doing so.



Support for this distinction can be seen from Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 181:6:




אשה אינה במצות הקפה



Women do not have the commandment of [spilling] the coffee.




Now, if the obligation to spill coffee applied at home, women would be included. However, because it only applies in the beit midrash, women are exempt. As we learn in Mo'ed Katan 18a:




אשה בי מדרשא לא שכיחא



Women are not commonly in the beit midrash.




(The fact that you also see some stains in private books is probably because not all of the masses are aware that this distinction exists - they see coffee stains in the beit hamidrash and mistakenly believe that they should also practice this at home.)






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    Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

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Yes. There are some very good reasons for the coffee stains you have observed.



Mishnah Mikvaot 6:5:




קפה מטבילין בהן כמה



Coffee, we dip much in to it.




Obviously, this will cause the coffee to overflow the cup and will result in stains.



Mishnah Shabbat 4:2:




קפה מטה על צדה



Coffee, we tip on its side.




Clearly, this is going to produce even more stains.



However, we can pose a question from Mishnah Beitzah 4:1:




לא יפשיל את הקפה לאחוריו אבל מביאה הוא בידו



One must not throw the coffee behind him, but rather bring it in his hand.




This Mishnah rules that we must be very careful when transporting coffee, to avoid stains.



We can resolve the contradiction by positing that the obligation to spill coffee is only in public spaces. In one's home, one is meant to avoid doing so.



Support for this distinction can be seen from Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 181:6:




אשה אינה במצות הקפה



Women do not have the commandment of [spilling] the coffee.




Now, if the obligation to spill coffee applied at home, women would be included. However, because it only applies in the beit midrash, women are exempt. As we learn in Mo'ed Katan 18a:




אשה בי מדרשא לא שכיחא



Women are not commonly in the beit midrash.




(The fact that you also see some stains in private books is probably because not all of the masses are aware that this distinction exists - they see coffee stains in the beit hamidrash and mistakenly believe that they should also practice this at home.)






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

    – Oliver
    3 hours ago















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Yes. There are some very good reasons for the coffee stains you have observed.



Mishnah Mikvaot 6:5:




קפה מטבילין בהן כמה



Coffee, we dip much in to it.




Obviously, this will cause the coffee to overflow the cup and will result in stains.



Mishnah Shabbat 4:2:




קפה מטה על צדה



Coffee, we tip on its side.




Clearly, this is going to produce even more stains.



However, we can pose a question from Mishnah Beitzah 4:1:




לא יפשיל את הקפה לאחוריו אבל מביאה הוא בידו



One must not throw the coffee behind him, but rather bring it in his hand.




This Mishnah rules that we must be very careful when transporting coffee, to avoid stains.



We can resolve the contradiction by positing that the obligation to spill coffee is only in public spaces. In one's home, one is meant to avoid doing so.



Support for this distinction can be seen from Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 181:6:




אשה אינה במצות הקפה



Women do not have the commandment of [spilling] the coffee.




Now, if the obligation to spill coffee applied at home, women would be included. However, because it only applies in the beit midrash, women are exempt. As we learn in Mo'ed Katan 18a:




אשה בי מדרשא לא שכיחא



Women are not commonly in the beit midrash.




(The fact that you also see some stains in private books is probably because not all of the masses are aware that this distinction exists - they see coffee stains in the beit hamidrash and mistakenly believe that they should also practice this at home.)






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

    – Oliver
    3 hours ago













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Yes. There are some very good reasons for the coffee stains you have observed.



Mishnah Mikvaot 6:5:




קפה מטבילין בהן כמה



Coffee, we dip much in to it.




Obviously, this will cause the coffee to overflow the cup and will result in stains.



Mishnah Shabbat 4:2:




קפה מטה על צדה



Coffee, we tip on its side.




Clearly, this is going to produce even more stains.



However, we can pose a question from Mishnah Beitzah 4:1:




לא יפשיל את הקפה לאחוריו אבל מביאה הוא בידו



One must not throw the coffee behind him, but rather bring it in his hand.




This Mishnah rules that we must be very careful when transporting coffee, to avoid stains.



We can resolve the contradiction by positing that the obligation to spill coffee is only in public spaces. In one's home, one is meant to avoid doing so.



Support for this distinction can be seen from Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 181:6:




אשה אינה במצות הקפה



Women do not have the commandment of [spilling] the coffee.




Now, if the obligation to spill coffee applied at home, women would be included. However, because it only applies in the beit midrash, women are exempt. As we learn in Mo'ed Katan 18a:




אשה בי מדרשא לא שכיחא



Women are not commonly in the beit midrash.




(The fact that you also see some stains in private books is probably because not all of the masses are aware that this distinction exists - they see coffee stains in the beit hamidrash and mistakenly believe that they should also practice this at home.)






share|improve this answer















Yes. There are some very good reasons for the coffee stains you have observed.



Mishnah Mikvaot 6:5:




קפה מטבילין בהן כמה



Coffee, we dip much in to it.




Obviously, this will cause the coffee to overflow the cup and will result in stains.



Mishnah Shabbat 4:2:




קפה מטה על צדה



Coffee, we tip on its side.




Clearly, this is going to produce even more stains.



However, we can pose a question from Mishnah Beitzah 4:1:




לא יפשיל את הקפה לאחוריו אבל מביאה הוא בידו



One must not throw the coffee behind him, but rather bring it in his hand.




This Mishnah rules that we must be very careful when transporting coffee, to avoid stains.



We can resolve the contradiction by positing that the obligation to spill coffee is only in public spaces. In one's home, one is meant to avoid doing so.



Support for this distinction can be seen from Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 181:6:




אשה אינה במצות הקפה



Women do not have the commandment of [spilling] the coffee.




Now, if the obligation to spill coffee applied at home, women would be included. However, because it only applies in the beit midrash, women are exempt. As we learn in Mo'ed Katan 18a:




אשה בי מדרשא לא שכיחא



Women are not commonly in the beit midrash.




(The fact that you also see some stains in private books is probably because not all of the masses are aware that this distinction exists - they see coffee stains in the beit hamidrash and mistakenly believe that they should also practice this at home.)







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    Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

    – Oliver
    3 hours ago












  • 1





    Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

    – Oliver
    3 hours ago







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Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

– Oliver
3 hours ago





Re. the mishnah in Mikvaot, you can add the beg. too “אם היה שק או קפה” = if it was a [tea]bag or coffee...

– Oliver
3 hours ago



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