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I was told by a friend that, when making pizza dough, I should add the salt at a later stage than the yeast, because it might disturbe the yeast from doing its thing...

I apologize for not having anymore concrete information, I just wanted to check this...

salt dough pizza yeast

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  Thank you for this question! I've always wondered how salting dough doesn't kill the yeast
  
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  Short answer, no. Worth a watch: youtube.com/watch?v=7a65UPbbuZE .
  
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I was told by a friend that, when making pizza dough, I should add the salt at a later stage than the yeast, because it might disturbe the yeast from doing its thing...

I apologize for not having anymore concrete information, I just wanted to check this...

salt dough pizza yeast

share|improve this question

asked Aug 17 '11 at 1:16

hizkihizki

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  Thank you for this question! I've always wondered how salting dough doesn't kill the yeast
  
  – Rikon
  Aug 17 '11 at 1:58
  

  
  
  
  


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  Short answer, no. Worth a watch: youtube.com/watch?v=7a65UPbbuZE .
  
  – Florent Bayle
  Mar 22 at 21:41
  

  
  
  
  

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I was told by a friend that, when making pizza dough, I should add the salt at a later stage than the yeast, because it might disturbe the yeast from doing its thing...

I apologize for not having anymore concrete information, I just wanted to check this...

salt dough pizza yeast

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Salt in high concentrations can kill yeast yes. So can sugar, though salt is so much better at it. You see both are hygroscopic, meaning that they suck water out of stuff. This induces osmotic stress to the yeast cells leading eventually to cell breakdown (aka death).

On lower concentrations salt will throttle the yeast fermentation producing a richer and more uniform crumb.

Adding the salt early or later in the process will have a big effect on your dough, but that won't be because of the way it messes up with the yeast. Salt is supposed to coagulate gluten proteins, in a sense it "stiffens" the dough. On various situations this should happen late in the process (e.g. see the "Delayed salt method" used for sourdoughs).

For pizza dough I'd add the salt early.

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answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

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  I simply thought salt will kill yeast but you have come out with a better explanation, didn't know that sugar can also kill yeast, I usually add salt while I knead the dough that too not too much
  
  – Kumar
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  I think I've seen the following experiment somewhere: take a cube of fresh yeast. Divide in half into separate containers. Add 1 Tbsp salt to one half and 1 Tbsp salt to the other. Observe how both mixes will progressively get watery eventually killing all yeast. Salt should be done with its yeast significantly faster.
  
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  something tells me you want to edit the above charisis - I'm thinking you mean 1Tbsp sugar in one of them?
  
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  I've heard that if all your salt hits all your yeast (i. e. if one or the other isn't properly mixed during adding the food), it will reduce your yeast's activity significantly enough that it will hurt pizza dough. I learned this from a chef in a pizza making class. So when adding them to dough make sure you've mixed the first one in before adding the second.
  
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  Oops, that should read 1 Tbsp salt and 1 Tbsp sugar, no experiment otherwise. Thanks @Bruce
  
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  Aug 18 '11 at 16:47
  

  
  
  
  

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Salt doesn't kill yeast entirely, unless there is too much of it, but it does slow down its growth rate. So adding the salt later would allow the dough to rise more.

In the case of pizza dough it probably doesn't matter all that much, and if you find that it doesn't rise enough, you can also leave more time for it to rise.

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answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

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9:15 am: I thought I would add my yeast to the liquid prior to mixing in the flour, etc. I added the olive oil, agave, and 2 t.SALT to the 3 cups warm water not knowing that the salt might prove to kill the yeast. I had a feeling though, so I checked. Sure enough I obviously goofed big time. Well my dough is hopefully rising now, so we'll see. 9:32 am ... well, it's rising, but maybe a little slower than usual. Hopefully another 15 minutes or so will tell the tale. 9:50 am: It has doubled and is now baking and looks beautiful! Guess I lucked out! Maybe the ratio of salt to water was mild enough so as not to kill the yeast.

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Salt in high concentrations can kill yeast yes. So can sugar, though salt is so much better at it. You see both are hygroscopic, meaning that they suck water out of stuff. This induces osmotic stress to the yeast cells leading eventually to cell breakdown (aka death).

On lower concentrations salt will throttle the yeast fermentation producing a richer and more uniform crumb.

Adding the salt early or later in the process will have a big effect on your dough, but that won't be because of the way it messes up with the yeast. Salt is supposed to coagulate gluten proteins, in a sense it "stiffens" the dough. On various situations this should happen late in the process (e.g. see the "Delayed salt method" used for sourdoughs).

For pizza dough I'd add the salt early.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I simply thought salt will kill yeast but you have come out with a better explanation, didn't know that sugar can also kill yeast, I usually add salt while I knead the dough that too not too much
  
  – Kumar
  Aug 17 '11 at 9:01
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I think I've seen the following experiment somewhere: take a cube of fresh yeast. Divide in half into separate containers. Add 1 Tbsp salt to one half and 1 Tbsp salt to the other. Observe how both mixes will progressively get watery eventually killing all yeast. Salt should be done with its yeast significantly faster.
  
  – charisis
  Aug 17 '11 at 11:25
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  something tells me you want to edit the above charisis - I'm thinking you mean 1Tbsp sugar in one of them?
  
  – Bruce
  Aug 17 '11 at 12:26
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I've heard that if all your salt hits all your yeast (i. e. if one or the other isn't properly mixed during adding the food), it will reduce your yeast's activity significantly enough that it will hurt pizza dough. I learned this from a chef in a pizza making class. So when adding them to dough make sure you've mixed the first one in before adding the second.
  
  – justkt
  Aug 17 '11 at 20:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Oops, that should read 1 Tbsp salt and 1 Tbsp sugar, no experiment otherwise. Thanks @Bruce
  
  – charisis
  Aug 18 '11 at 16:47
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

17

Salt in high concentrations can kill yeast yes. So can sugar, though salt is so much better at it. You see both are hygroscopic, meaning that they suck water out of stuff. This induces osmotic stress to the yeast cells leading eventually to cell breakdown (aka death).

On lower concentrations salt will throttle the yeast fermentation producing a richer and more uniform crumb.

Adding the salt early or later in the process will have a big effect on your dough, but that won't be because of the way it messes up with the yeast. Salt is supposed to coagulate gluten proteins, in a sense it "stiffens" the dough. On various situations this should happen late in the process (e.g. see the "Delayed salt method" used for sourdoughs).

For pizza dough I'd add the salt early.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I simply thought salt will kill yeast but you have come out with a better explanation, didn't know that sugar can also kill yeast, I usually add salt while I knead the dough that too not too much
  
  – Kumar
  Aug 17 '11 at 9:01
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I think I've seen the following experiment somewhere: take a cube of fresh yeast. Divide in half into separate containers. Add 1 Tbsp salt to one half and 1 Tbsp salt to the other. Observe how both mixes will progressively get watery eventually killing all yeast. Salt should be done with its yeast significantly faster.
  
  – charisis
  Aug 17 '11 at 11:25
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  something tells me you want to edit the above charisis - I'm thinking you mean 1Tbsp sugar in one of them?
  
  – Bruce
  Aug 17 '11 at 12:26
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I've heard that if all your salt hits all your yeast (i. e. if one or the other isn't properly mixed during adding the food), it will reduce your yeast's activity significantly enough that it will hurt pizza dough. I learned this from a chef in a pizza making class. So when adding them to dough make sure you've mixed the first one in before adding the second.
  
  – justkt
  Aug 17 '11 at 20:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Oops, that should read 1 Tbsp salt and 1 Tbsp sugar, no experiment otherwise. Thanks @Bruce
  
  – charisis
  Aug 18 '11 at 16:47
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Salt in high concentrations can kill yeast yes. So can sugar, though salt is so much better at it. You see both are hygroscopic, meaning that they suck water out of stuff. This induces osmotic stress to the yeast cells leading eventually to cell breakdown (aka death).

On lower concentrations salt will throttle the yeast fermentation producing a richer and more uniform crumb.

Adding the salt early or later in the process will have a big effect on your dough, but that won't be because of the way it messes up with the yeast. Salt is supposed to coagulate gluten proteins, in a sense it "stiffens" the dough. On various situations this should happen late in the process (e.g. see the "Delayed salt method" used for sourdoughs).

For pizza dough I'd add the salt early.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

answered Aug 17 '11 at 6:31

charisischarisis

40136

2

Salt doesn't kill yeast entirely, unless there is too much of it, but it does slow down its growth rate. So adding the salt later would allow the dough to rise more.

In the case of pizza dough it probably doesn't matter all that much, and if you find that it doesn't rise enough, you can also leave more time for it to rise.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

KirillKirill

15517

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2

Salt doesn't kill yeast entirely, unless there is too much of it, but it does slow down its growth rate. So adding the salt later would allow the dough to rise more.

In the case of pizza dough it probably doesn't matter all that much, and if you find that it doesn't rise enough, you can also leave more time for it to rise.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

KirillKirill

15517

add a comment | 

Salt doesn't kill yeast entirely, unless there is too much of it, but it does slow down its growth rate. So adding the salt later would allow the dough to rise more.

In the case of pizza dough it probably doesn't matter all that much, and if you find that it doesn't rise enough, you can also leave more time for it to rise.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

KirillKirill

15517

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

KirillKirill

15517

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

KirillKirill

15517

answered Aug 17 '11 at 1:42

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9:15 am: I thought I would add my yeast to the liquid prior to mixing in the flour, etc. I added the olive oil, agave, and 2 t.SALT to the 3 cups warm water not knowing that the salt might prove to kill the yeast. I had a feeling though, so I checked. Sure enough I obviously goofed big time. Well my dough is hopefully rising now, so we'll see. 9:32 am ... well, it's rising, but maybe a little slower than usual. Hopefully another 15 minutes or so will tell the tale. 9:50 am: It has doubled and is now baking and looks beautiful! Guess I lucked out! Maybe the ratio of salt to water was mild enough so as not to kill the yeast.

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answered Mar 22 at 17:06

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9:15 am: I thought I would add my yeast to the liquid prior to mixing in the flour, etc. I added the olive oil, agave, and 2 t.SALT to the 3 cups warm water not knowing that the salt might prove to kill the yeast. I had a feeling though, so I checked. Sure enough I obviously goofed big time. Well my dough is hopefully rising now, so we'll see. 9:32 am ... well, it's rising, but maybe a little slower than usual. Hopefully another 15 minutes or so will tell the tale. 9:50 am: It has doubled and is now baking and looks beautiful! Guess I lucked out! Maybe the ratio of salt to water was mild enough so as not to kill the yeast.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 22 at 17:06

Marcia SandersMarcia Sanders

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9:15 am: I thought I would add my yeast to the liquid prior to mixing in the flour, etc. I added the olive oil, agave, and 2 t.SALT to the 3 cups warm water not knowing that the salt might prove to kill the yeast. I had a feeling though, so I checked. Sure enough I obviously goofed big time. Well my dough is hopefully rising now, so we'll see. 9:32 am ... well, it's rising, but maybe a little slower than usual. Hopefully another 15 minutes or so will tell the tale. 9:50 am: It has doubled and is now baking and looks beautiful! Guess I lucked out! Maybe the ratio of salt to water was mild enough so as not to kill the yeast.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 22 at 17:06

Marcia SandersMarcia Sanders

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answered Mar 22 at 17:06

Marcia SandersMarcia Sanders

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answered Mar 22 at 17:06

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answered Mar 22 at 17:06

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