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In a society, everyone goes to college and everyone has 3 children(one parent family). College is also very expensive. There are two ways that this society could pay for college. Let's say college costs $X$ amount. Either:




  1. Everyone pays for their own college. So everyone pays $X$ dollars.

  2. Everyone pays for their children's college. So everyone pays $3X$ dollars, but then they do not have to pay for their own college since their parent paid for theirs.


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    Are they one-parent families in your society?
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    @WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
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    No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
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    @WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
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    It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
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In a society, everyone goes to college and everyone has 3 children(one parent family). College is also very expensive. There are two ways that this society could pay for college. Let's say college costs $X$ amount. Either:




  1. Everyone pays for their own college. So everyone pays $X$ dollars.

  2. Everyone pays for their children's college. So everyone pays $3X$ dollars, but then they do not have to pay for their own college since their parent paid for theirs.


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    Are they one-parent families in your society?
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    – Weather Vane
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    @WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
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    – Jac Frall
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    No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
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    – Weather Vane
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    @WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
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    It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
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In a society, everyone goes to college and everyone has 3 children(one parent family). College is also very expensive. There are two ways that this society could pay for college. Let's say college costs $X$ amount. Either:




  1. Everyone pays for their own college. So everyone pays $X$ dollars.

  2. Everyone pays for their children's college. So everyone pays $3X$ dollars, but then they do not have to pay for their own college since their parent paid for theirs.


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In a society, everyone goes to college and everyone has 3 children(one parent family). College is also very expensive. There are two ways that this society could pay for college. Let's say college costs $X$ amount. Either:




  1. Everyone pays for their own college. So everyone pays $X$ dollars.

  2. Everyone pays for their children's college. So everyone pays $3X$ dollars, but then they do not have to pay for their own college since their parent paid for theirs.


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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Are they one-parent families in your society?
    $endgroup$
    – Weather Vane
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    @WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
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    – Jac Frall
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    No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
    $endgroup$
    – Weather Vane
    2 days ago












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    @WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
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    – Jac Frall
    2 days ago










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    It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
    $endgroup$
    – Amorydai
    2 days ago














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    $begingroup$
    Are they one-parent families in your society?
    $endgroup$
    – Weather Vane
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    @WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
    $endgroup$
    – Jac Frall
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
    $endgroup$
    – Weather Vane
    2 days ago












  • $begingroup$
    @WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
    $endgroup$
    – Jac Frall
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
    $endgroup$
    – Amorydai
    2 days ago








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Are they one-parent families in your society?
$endgroup$
– Weather Vane
2 days ago




$begingroup$
Are they one-parent families in your society?
$endgroup$
– Weather Vane
2 days ago












$begingroup$
@WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
$endgroup$
– Jac Frall
2 days ago




$begingroup$
@WeatherVane Yes. For simplicity
$endgroup$
– Jac Frall
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No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
$endgroup$
– Weather Vane
2 days ago






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No no no. If the kids each pay their own fee, they will each inherit the fee that I didn't have to pay for them. So their education is free ;)
$endgroup$
– Weather Vane
2 days ago














$begingroup$
@WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
$endgroup$
– Jac Frall
2 days ago




$begingroup$
@WeatherVane I am not sure that I understand what you mean
$endgroup$
– Jac Frall
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It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
$endgroup$
– Amorydai
2 days ago




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It doesn't matter that your own college was paid by your parents, you still have to pay 3X for your own kids, not 2X. If you also paid for your own college then you would need to pay 4X.
$endgroup$
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Here's why:



Imagine the family tree of such a population. It might look something like this



a                 <------Generation A - one person
b b b
ccc ccc ccc <------Generation C - nine people


The solution to the paradox is that




The population is constantly growing. Having the older generation pay for the next generation concentrates the cost. Having the younger generation pay for its own education spreads out the cost.




By shifting the burden by one generation back,




There are less people in that generation to pay the same cost.




Also, it is important to consider the following




Imagine generations a, b, and c have each paid the required money in this society.




If they are paying for their children's education, then




Paying results in $3+9+27=39$ paid educations.




If they are paying for their own education, then




Paying results in $1+3+9=13$ educations paid for.




They are accomplishing two different tasks, because the burden is shifted.






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    @Brandon’s answer covers pretty much everything, but another way to think of it is:




    Imagine we have situation 2.

    Then, consider - not a single parent, but the group of the parent and their kids.

    In situation 2, the parent pays 3X. The children pay nothing, so the total cost is 3X.

    In situation 1, the parent pays nothing. The children each pay X, so the total cost is 3X.

    We see that the cost of college is the same either way, it is just more disperse in 1.







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      In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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      @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
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    Another way to think of this:




    It is more expensive because it includes a storage of extra money.




    Consider this scenario:




    The world changes and finds college to be useless.




    In option 1:




    Nothing happens. They just live with no expectation of going to college.




    But in option 2:




    Every person in the youngest generation finds themselves with X as bonus spending money that has been saved up for them!! Woo hoo!!




    Therefore:




    The additional cost of scenario 2 is funding the rolling global piggy bank that is passed down each generation.







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    A couple of assumptions would be in place here:




    1. Everyone gets to go to college (wow!)

    2. Everyone can afford to pay for their own college which is very expensive (or even 3 times of it, depending on which side of the debate we are on)

    3. Whether for one college education or three, the payment needs to come from one's earnings and not from any kind of inheritance (leave alone from the parent) or unexpected windfall/benefit (lottery, prize, or the like) or government benefit or scholarship/grant


    Now to the question in question:




    The outcome is not the same!


    In the first case, one pays for their own college (current generation's college). So, everyone's got to work to earn their own college education.

    The second case is about being born with a guaranteed, fully paid-for college education and they don't need to work to earn it. Of course, they still need to earn three times as much (plus inflation-adjustment) later by the time the kids are ready for college but that is not quite the same; it is about paying it forward.







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      Here's why:



      Imagine the family tree of such a population. It might look something like this



      a                 <------Generation A - one person
      b b b
      ccc ccc ccc <------Generation C - nine people


      The solution to the paradox is that




      The population is constantly growing. Having the older generation pay for the next generation concentrates the cost. Having the younger generation pay for its own education spreads out the cost.




      By shifting the burden by one generation back,




      There are less people in that generation to pay the same cost.




      Also, it is important to consider the following




      Imagine generations a, b, and c have each paid the required money in this society.




      If they are paying for their children's education, then




      Paying results in $3+9+27=39$ paid educations.




      If they are paying for their own education, then




      Paying results in $1+3+9=13$ educations paid for.




      They are accomplishing two different tasks, because the burden is shifted.






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        $begingroup$

        Here's why:



        Imagine the family tree of such a population. It might look something like this



        a                 <------Generation A - one person
        b b b
        ccc ccc ccc <------Generation C - nine people


        The solution to the paradox is that




        The population is constantly growing. Having the older generation pay for the next generation concentrates the cost. Having the younger generation pay for its own education spreads out the cost.




        By shifting the burden by one generation back,




        There are less people in that generation to pay the same cost.




        Also, it is important to consider the following




        Imagine generations a, b, and c have each paid the required money in this society.




        If they are paying for their children's education, then




        Paying results in $3+9+27=39$ paid educations.




        If they are paying for their own education, then




        Paying results in $1+3+9=13$ educations paid for.




        They are accomplishing two different tasks, because the burden is shifted.






        share|improve this answer











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          Here's why:



          Imagine the family tree of such a population. It might look something like this



          a                 <------Generation A - one person
          b b b
          ccc ccc ccc <------Generation C - nine people


          The solution to the paradox is that




          The population is constantly growing. Having the older generation pay for the next generation concentrates the cost. Having the younger generation pay for its own education spreads out the cost.




          By shifting the burden by one generation back,




          There are less people in that generation to pay the same cost.




          Also, it is important to consider the following




          Imagine generations a, b, and c have each paid the required money in this society.




          If they are paying for their children's education, then




          Paying results in $3+9+27=39$ paid educations.




          If they are paying for their own education, then




          Paying results in $1+3+9=13$ educations paid for.




          They are accomplishing two different tasks, because the burden is shifted.






          share|improve this answer











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          Here's why:



          Imagine the family tree of such a population. It might look something like this



          a                 <------Generation A - one person
          b b b
          ccc ccc ccc <------Generation C - nine people


          The solution to the paradox is that




          The population is constantly growing. Having the older generation pay for the next generation concentrates the cost. Having the younger generation pay for its own education spreads out the cost.




          By shifting the burden by one generation back,




          There are less people in that generation to pay the same cost.




          Also, it is important to consider the following




          Imagine generations a, b, and c have each paid the required money in this society.




          If they are paying for their children's education, then




          Paying results in $3+9+27=39$ paid educations.




          If they are paying for their own education, then




          Paying results in $1+3+9=13$ educations paid for.




          They are accomplishing two different tasks, because the burden is shifted.







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              @Brandon’s answer covers pretty much everything, but another way to think of it is:




              Imagine we have situation 2.

              Then, consider - not a single parent, but the group of the parent and their kids.

              In situation 2, the parent pays 3X. The children pay nothing, so the total cost is 3X.

              In situation 1, the parent pays nothing. The children each pay X, so the total cost is 3X.

              We see that the cost of college is the same either way, it is just more disperse in 1.







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                In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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                @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
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              $begingroup$

              @Brandon’s answer covers pretty much everything, but another way to think of it is:




              Imagine we have situation 2.

              Then, consider - not a single parent, but the group of the parent and their kids.

              In situation 2, the parent pays 3X. The children pay nothing, so the total cost is 3X.

              In situation 1, the parent pays nothing. The children each pay X, so the total cost is 3X.

              We see that the cost of college is the same either way, it is just more disperse in 1.







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              • $begingroup$
                In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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                – Jac Frall
                22 hours ago










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                @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
                $endgroup$
                – Krad Cigol
                17 hours ago














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              $begingroup$

              @Brandon’s answer covers pretty much everything, but another way to think of it is:




              Imagine we have situation 2.

              Then, consider - not a single parent, but the group of the parent and their kids.

              In situation 2, the parent pays 3X. The children pay nothing, so the total cost is 3X.

              In situation 1, the parent pays nothing. The children each pay X, so the total cost is 3X.

              We see that the cost of college is the same either way, it is just more disperse in 1.







              share|improve this answer









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              @Brandon’s answer covers pretty much everything, but another way to think of it is:




              Imagine we have situation 2.

              Then, consider - not a single parent, but the group of the parent and their kids.

              In situation 2, the parent pays 3X. The children pay nothing, so the total cost is 3X.

              In situation 1, the parent pays nothing. The children each pay X, so the total cost is 3X.

              We see that the cost of college is the same either way, it is just more disperse in 1.








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                In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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                @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
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              • $begingroup$
                In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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                @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
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              In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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              – Jac Frall
              22 hours ago




              $begingroup$
              In situation 1 doesn't the parent pay for their own education making it 4X?
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              – Jac Frall
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              $begingroup$
              @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
              $endgroup$
              – Krad Cigol
              17 hours ago




              $begingroup$
              @JacFrall Yes, but we are considering only the children's education.
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              $begingroup$

              Another way to think of this:




              It is more expensive because it includes a storage of extra money.




              Consider this scenario:




              The world changes and finds college to be useless.




              In option 1:




              Nothing happens. They just live with no expectation of going to college.




              But in option 2:




              Every person in the youngest generation finds themselves with X as bonus spending money that has been saved up for them!! Woo hoo!!




              Therefore:




              The additional cost of scenario 2 is funding the rolling global piggy bank that is passed down each generation.







              share|improve this answer









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              • $begingroup$
                +1 for lateral thinking
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                – Brandon_J
                8 hours ago
















              2












              $begingroup$

              Another way to think of this:




              It is more expensive because it includes a storage of extra money.




              Consider this scenario:




              The world changes and finds college to be useless.




              In option 1:




              Nothing happens. They just live with no expectation of going to college.




              But in option 2:




              Every person in the youngest generation finds themselves with X as bonus spending money that has been saved up for them!! Woo hoo!!




              Therefore:




              The additional cost of scenario 2 is funding the rolling global piggy bank that is passed down each generation.







              share|improve this answer









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              • $begingroup$
                +1 for lateral thinking
                $endgroup$
                – Brandon_J
                8 hours ago














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              2





              $begingroup$

              Another way to think of this:




              It is more expensive because it includes a storage of extra money.




              Consider this scenario:




              The world changes and finds college to be useless.




              In option 1:




              Nothing happens. They just live with no expectation of going to college.




              But in option 2:




              Every person in the youngest generation finds themselves with X as bonus spending money that has been saved up for them!! Woo hoo!!




              Therefore:




              The additional cost of scenario 2 is funding the rolling global piggy bank that is passed down each generation.







              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$



              Another way to think of this:




              It is more expensive because it includes a storage of extra money.




              Consider this scenario:




              The world changes and finds college to be useless.




              In option 1:




              Nothing happens. They just live with no expectation of going to college.




              But in option 2:




              Every person in the youngest generation finds themselves with X as bonus spending money that has been saved up for them!! Woo hoo!!




              Therefore:




              The additional cost of scenario 2 is funding the rolling global piggy bank that is passed down each generation.








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              $begingroup$
              +1 for lateral thinking
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              $begingroup$

              A couple of assumptions would be in place here:




              1. Everyone gets to go to college (wow!)

              2. Everyone can afford to pay for their own college which is very expensive (or even 3 times of it, depending on which side of the debate we are on)

              3. Whether for one college education or three, the payment needs to come from one's earnings and not from any kind of inheritance (leave alone from the parent) or unexpected windfall/benefit (lottery, prize, or the like) or government benefit or scholarship/grant


              Now to the question in question:




              The outcome is not the same!


              In the first case, one pays for their own college (current generation's college). So, everyone's got to work to earn their own college education.

              The second case is about being born with a guaranteed, fully paid-for college education and they don't need to work to earn it. Of course, they still need to earn three times as much (plus inflation-adjustment) later by the time the kids are ready for college but that is not quite the same; it is about paying it forward.







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                A couple of assumptions would be in place here:




                1. Everyone gets to go to college (wow!)

                2. Everyone can afford to pay for their own college which is very expensive (or even 3 times of it, depending on which side of the debate we are on)

                3. Whether for one college education or three, the payment needs to come from one's earnings and not from any kind of inheritance (leave alone from the parent) or unexpected windfall/benefit (lottery, prize, or the like) or government benefit or scholarship/grant


                Now to the question in question:




                The outcome is not the same!


                In the first case, one pays for their own college (current generation's college). So, everyone's got to work to earn their own college education.

                The second case is about being born with a guaranteed, fully paid-for college education and they don't need to work to earn it. Of course, they still need to earn three times as much (plus inflation-adjustment) later by the time the kids are ready for college but that is not quite the same; it is about paying it forward.







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                  A couple of assumptions would be in place here:




                  1. Everyone gets to go to college (wow!)

                  2. Everyone can afford to pay for their own college which is very expensive (or even 3 times of it, depending on which side of the debate we are on)

                  3. Whether for one college education or three, the payment needs to come from one's earnings and not from any kind of inheritance (leave alone from the parent) or unexpected windfall/benefit (lottery, prize, or the like) or government benefit or scholarship/grant


                  Now to the question in question:




                  The outcome is not the same!


                  In the first case, one pays for their own college (current generation's college). So, everyone's got to work to earn their own college education.

                  The second case is about being born with a guaranteed, fully paid-for college education and they don't need to work to earn it. Of course, they still need to earn three times as much (plus inflation-adjustment) later by the time the kids are ready for college but that is not quite the same; it is about paying it forward.







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                  A couple of assumptions would be in place here:




                  1. Everyone gets to go to college (wow!)

                  2. Everyone can afford to pay for their own college which is very expensive (or even 3 times of it, depending on which side of the debate we are on)

                  3. Whether for one college education or three, the payment needs to come from one's earnings and not from any kind of inheritance (leave alone from the parent) or unexpected windfall/benefit (lottery, prize, or the like) or government benefit or scholarship/grant


                  Now to the question in question:




                  The outcome is not the same!


                  In the first case, one pays for their own college (current generation's college). So, everyone's got to work to earn their own college education.

                  The second case is about being born with a guaranteed, fully paid-for college education and they don't need to work to earn it. Of course, they still need to earn three times as much (plus inflation-adjustment) later by the time the kids are ready for college but that is not quite the same; it is about paying it forward.








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