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Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?
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While working in GeoGebra I noticed something odd. I had a triangle with a point inside and the point was connected to each of the vertices. For each vertice I had drawn the circle passing through the vertice and the point, with the connection being the circle's diameter (see picture below).
What I noticed is that the overlapping circles completely covered the triangle. Further experimentation showed this was also the case if the point was outside the triangle (see below).
Still more experimentation appears to show this is the case for any polygon, simple or not:
Is this observation true or did GeoGebra lead me astray? I couldn't immediately find the result via Google.
geometry recreational-mathematics
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
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While working in GeoGebra I noticed something odd. I had a triangle with a point inside and the point was connected to each of the vertices. For each vertice I had drawn the circle passing through the vertice and the point, with the connection being the circle's diameter (see picture below).
What I noticed is that the overlapping circles completely covered the triangle. Further experimentation showed this was also the case if the point was outside the triangle (see below).
Still more experimentation appears to show this is the case for any polygon, simple or not:
Is this observation true or did GeoGebra lead me astray? I couldn't immediately find the result via Google.
geometry recreational-mathematics
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
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There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
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– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
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@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
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– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
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Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
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– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
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Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
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– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
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For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
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While working in GeoGebra I noticed something odd. I had a triangle with a point inside and the point was connected to each of the vertices. For each vertice I had drawn the circle passing through the vertice and the point, with the connection being the circle's diameter (see picture below).
What I noticed is that the overlapping circles completely covered the triangle. Further experimentation showed this was also the case if the point was outside the triangle (see below).
Still more experimentation appears to show this is the case for any polygon, simple or not:
Is this observation true or did GeoGebra lead me astray? I couldn't immediately find the result via Google.
geometry recreational-mathematics
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
$endgroup$
While working in GeoGebra I noticed something odd. I had a triangle with a point inside and the point was connected to each of the vertices. For each vertice I had drawn the circle passing through the vertice and the point, with the connection being the circle's diameter (see picture below).
What I noticed is that the overlapping circles completely covered the triangle. Further experimentation showed this was also the case if the point was outside the triangle (see below).
Still more experimentation appears to show this is the case for any polygon, simple or not:
Is this observation true or did GeoGebra lead me astray? I couldn't immediately find the result via Google.
geometry recreational-mathematics
geometry recreational-mathematics
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
asked Mar 20 at 16:31
JensJens
4,03721032
4,03721032
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There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
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– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
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@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
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– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
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Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
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– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
1
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Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
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– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
$begingroup$
For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
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– David K
Mar 21 at 2:08
add a comment |
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There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
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@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
$endgroup$
– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
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Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
1
$begingroup$
Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
$endgroup$
– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
$begingroup$
For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
$endgroup$
– David K
Mar 21 at 2:08
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There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
$begingroup$
There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
$begingroup$
@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
$endgroup$
– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
$begingroup$
@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
$endgroup$
– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
$begingroup$
Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
$begingroup$
Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
$endgroup$
– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
1
1
$begingroup$
Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
$endgroup$
– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
$begingroup$
Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
$endgroup$
– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
$begingroup$
For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
$endgroup$
– David K
Mar 21 at 2:08
$begingroup$
For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
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– David K
Mar 21 at 2:08
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We'll prove the case for $n=3$ and then generalize for an $n-$gon.
Let $triangle ABC$ be a triangle and $P$ an arbitraty point (inside or outside the triangle). Consider now the circumferences $omega$ and $tau$ with diameters $AP$ and $PB$ respectively. Consider furthermore the point $Din [AB]$, such that $PDbot AB$. In vitue of the converse of Thales' Theorem
$$angle ADP=90°implies Din omega qquadqquad angle PDB=90°implies Din tau$$ Analogously, we can prove that the intersections of the circles are $P$ and three points $D, Ein BC, Fin AC$ which lie on the sides of the triangles or on the extensions respectively.
Observe now that the triangles $triangle PBE, triangle PEC, triangle PCF, triangle PFA, triangle PDA$ and $triangle PBD$ are respectively inscribed in the circles $omega, tau$ and $rho$ (with the diameter $PC$). Thus, so is $triangle ABC$.
Now, once proven the case for a triangle, simply separate an $n-$gon into $(n-2)$ triangles, which will all be covered by the overlapping circles. Thus, the $n$-gon will also be covered $quadsquare$
For further reading: Episodes in nineteenth and twentieth century Euclidean Geometry (Honsberger), pages 79-86: Miquel's Theorem
answered Mar 20 at 17:29
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The property you found boils down to the following: given a segment $AB$ and any point $P$ outside it, then the circles having $PB$ and $PA$ as diameter completely cover triangle $ABP$. And that is obvious, because those circles are the circumcircles of triangles $APH$ and $BPH$, where $H$ is the orthogonal projection of $P$ onto line $AB$.
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We'll prove the case for $n=3$ and then generalize for an $n-$gon.
Let $triangle ABC$ be a triangle and $P$ an arbitraty point (inside or outside the triangle). Consider now the circumferences $omega$ and $tau$ with diameters $AP$ and $PB$ respectively. Consider furthermore the point $Din [AB]$, such that $PDbot AB$. In vitue of the converse of Thales' Theorem
$$angle ADP=90°implies Din omega qquadqquad angle PDB=90°implies Din tau$$ Analogously, we can prove that the intersections of the circles are $P$ and three points $D, Ein BC, Fin AC$ which lie on the sides of the triangles or on the extensions respectively.
Observe now that the triangles $triangle PBE, triangle PEC, triangle PCF, triangle PFA, triangle PDA$ and $triangle PBD$ are respectively inscribed in the circles $omega, tau$ and $rho$ (with the diameter $PC$). Thus, so is $triangle ABC$.
Now, once proven the case for a triangle, simply separate an $n-$gon into $(n-2)$ triangles, which will all be covered by the overlapping circles. Thus, the $n$-gon will also be covered $quadsquare$
For further reading: Episodes in nineteenth and twentieth century Euclidean Geometry (Honsberger), pages 79-86: Miquel's Theorem
answered Mar 20 at 17:29
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We'll prove the case for $n=3$ and then generalize for an $n-$gon.
Let $triangle ABC$ be a triangle and $P$ an arbitraty point (inside or outside the triangle). Consider now the circumferences $omega$ and $tau$ with diameters $AP$ and $PB$ respectively. Consider furthermore the point $Din [AB]$, such that $PDbot AB$. In vitue of the converse of Thales' Theorem
$$angle ADP=90°implies Din omega qquadqquad angle PDB=90°implies Din tau$$ Analogously, we can prove that the intersections of the circles are $P$ and three points $D, Ein BC, Fin AC$ which lie on the sides of the triangles or on the extensions respectively.
Observe now that the triangles $triangle PBE, triangle PEC, triangle PCF, triangle PFA, triangle PDA$ and $triangle PBD$ are respectively inscribed in the circles $omega, tau$ and $rho$ (with the diameter $PC$). Thus, so is $triangle ABC$.
Now, once proven the case for a triangle, simply separate an $n-$gon into $(n-2)$ triangles, which will all be covered by the overlapping circles. Thus, the $n$-gon will also be covered $quadsquare$
For further reading: Episodes in nineteenth and twentieth century Euclidean Geometry (Honsberger), pages 79-86: Miquel's Theorem
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We'll prove the case for $n=3$ and then generalize for an $n-$gon.
Let $triangle ABC$ be a triangle and $P$ an arbitraty point (inside or outside the triangle). Consider now the circumferences $omega$ and $tau$ with diameters $AP$ and $PB$ respectively. Consider furthermore the point $Din [AB]$, such that $PDbot AB$. In vitue of the converse of Thales' Theorem
$$angle ADP=90°implies Din omega qquadqquad angle PDB=90°implies Din tau$$ Analogously, we can prove that the intersections of the circles are $P$ and three points $D, Ein BC, Fin AC$ which lie on the sides of the triangles or on the extensions respectively.
Observe now that the triangles $triangle PBE, triangle PEC, triangle PCF, triangle PFA, triangle PDA$ and $triangle PBD$ are respectively inscribed in the circles $omega, tau$ and $rho$ (with the diameter $PC$). Thus, so is $triangle ABC$.
Now, once proven the case for a triangle, simply separate an $n-$gon into $(n-2)$ triangles, which will all be covered by the overlapping circles. Thus, the $n$-gon will also be covered $quadsquare$
For further reading: Episodes in nineteenth and twentieth century Euclidean Geometry (Honsberger), pages 79-86: Miquel's Theorem
answered Mar 20 at 17:29
Dr. MathvaDr. Mathva
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We'll prove the case for $n=3$ and then generalize for an $n-$gon.
Let $triangle ABC$ be a triangle and $P$ an arbitraty point (inside or outside the triangle). Consider now the circumferences $omega$ and $tau$ with diameters $AP$ and $PB$ respectively. Consider furthermore the point $Din [AB]$, such that $PDbot AB$. In vitue of the converse of Thales' Theorem
$$angle ADP=90°implies Din omega qquadqquad angle PDB=90°implies Din tau$$ Analogously, we can prove that the intersections of the circles are $P$ and three points $D, Ein BC, Fin AC$ which lie on the sides of the triangles or on the extensions respectively.
Observe now that the triangles $triangle PBE, triangle PEC, triangle PCF, triangle PFA, triangle PDA$ and $triangle PBD$ are respectively inscribed in the circles $omega, tau$ and $rho$ (with the diameter $PC$). Thus, so is $triangle ABC$.
Now, once proven the case for a triangle, simply separate an $n-$gon into $(n-2)$ triangles, which will all be covered by the overlapping circles. Thus, the $n$-gon will also be covered $quadsquare$
For further reading: Episodes in nineteenth and twentieth century Euclidean Geometry (Honsberger), pages 79-86: Miquel's Theorem
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The property you found boils down to the following: given a segment $AB$ and any point $P$ outside it, then the circles having $PB$ and $PA$ as diameter completely cover triangle $ABP$. And that is obvious, because those circles are the circumcircles of triangles $APH$ and $BPH$, where $H$ is the orthogonal projection of $P$ onto line $AB$.
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The property you found boils down to the following: given a segment $AB$ and any point $P$ outside it, then the circles having $PB$ and $PA$ as diameter completely cover triangle $ABP$. And that is obvious, because those circles are the circumcircles of triangles $APH$ and $BPH$, where $H$ is the orthogonal projection of $P$ onto line $AB$.
answered Mar 20 at 17:22
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The property you found boils down to the following: given a segment $AB$ and any point $P$ outside it, then the circles having $PB$ and $PA$ as diameter completely cover triangle $ABP$. And that is obvious, because those circles are the circumcircles of triangles $APH$ and $BPH$, where $H$ is the orthogonal projection of $P$ onto line $AB$.
answered Mar 20 at 17:22
AretinoAretino
26k31546
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The property you found boils down to the following: given a segment $AB$ and any point $P$ outside it, then the circles having $PB$ and $PA$ as diameter completely cover triangle $ABP$. And that is obvious, because those circles are the circumcircles of triangles $APH$ and $BPH$, where $H$ is the orthogonal projection of $P$ onto line $AB$.
answered Mar 20 at 17:22
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answered Mar 20 at 17:22
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There is another remarkable detail that the intersection point of any pair of circles distinct from the red point lies on the line connecting two vertices. And this fact is quite easy to prove.
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– user
Mar 20 at 16:46
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@user I noticed that too. Could be a starting point for proving the above is true (if it is true).
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– Jens
Mar 20 at 16:58
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Yes this can be the starting point. In the case of internal point of the triangle it is practically evident. In the case of polygons it suffices to consider its convex hull.
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– user
Mar 20 at 17:10
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Given any polygon $mathcalP = ABCcdots F$ and a point $X$. Consider triangles formed by $X$ and an edge of $mathcalP$. Let's say triangle $XAB$. Let $Y$ be the foot of the altitude through $X$ on $AB$. Split $XAB$ into two right angled triangles $XAY$ and $XYB$. These two triangles will be covered by the two circles with $XA$ and $XB$ as diameters....
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– achille hui
Mar 20 at 17:12
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For future reference, "vertice" is not a word. You can talk about each vertex of a triangle. Vertices is the plural of vertex. It's not the usual way of forming a plural in English, because it isn't English--it's Latin. If you were to speak of multiple vertexes, however, I wouldn't complain. That's a legitimate alternative plural formation in English without the Latin pretentiousness.
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– David K
Mar 21 at 2:08